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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 435

                             Monday, July 8th 1991

Today's Topics:

                          UFO SIGHTIHG IN NEW YORK CITY
                          Re: Martian Anomalies Update
                            Re: Roswell on Phx Radio
                               Hi -where ya been?
                               **** Warning *****
                               Kecksburg UFO Crash
                            Re: UFO Crash at Roswell
                            Re: Roswell on Phx Radio
                             Re: Bilderbergers & UN?
                                 Alien evolution
                             Hill Abduction: 1 Of 7
                             Hill Abduction: 1 Of 7
                                  Hoax Document
                             Re: Bilderbergers & UN?
                             More on Crop Circles..

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Vissaggi)
Subject: UFO SIGHTIHG IN NEW YORK CITY
Date: 6 Jul 91 04:51:00 GMT

HI, MY NAME IS BILL VISSAGGI  I LIVE JUST OUT SIDE N.Y CITY
A FRIND OF MY HAS JUST HAD A INTERESTING SIGHTING IN NEW YORK.
HE IS A BUS DRIVER FOR MTA,WHILE WAITING AT HIS BUS STOP HE SAW TWO OBJECTS
VERY LOW IN THE SKY, AND FARLY CLOSE TO HIM.
THIS GENTELMAN HAS ALWAYS HAD A VERY NEGITIVE ATTATUDE TOWARD THE UFO
SUBJECT.
HE IS VERY INTERESTED IN WHY HE HAS NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SIGHTIHG
IN THE MEIDA. THER WERE MANY WITTNESS OTHER THEN HIM SELF. WE BOTH LIVE IN
YONKERS N.Y I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANY WHO HAS ANY INFORMATION ON THIS
SIGHTING.
THANK YOU


                          BILL VISSAGGI

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Martian Anomalies Update
Date: 6 Jul 91 04:21:00 GMT

Dan,
  Do keep us posted about your book!  I have THE MONUMENT OF MARS
with DiPietro and Molenaar & Brandenburg as well as Carlotto.  It will
be good to see an update with more text.  (I bought the book last year
at the Florida MUFON.)  I think I got the book titlright...

Regards,
     Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Roswell on Phx Radio
Date: 6 Jul 91 15:01:00 GMT

In a message to Jim Speiser <07-03-91 23:48> Don Allen wrote:

->What..no Phillip Klass?? I'm disappointed :-)

So was I! Klass I can handle. Stackpole's too sensible to argue with. We
wound up agreeing most of the time.

->BTW..Did you notice how well Randle handled Klass on "Larry
->King Live"?

Well, I thought Kevin did a decent job, but I wish he hadn't fudged on the
first question, about "was this the first book on the subjectt?"

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 6 Jul 91 04:57:07 GMT

Clark,
    Haven't seen any posts from you in ages!  Have you been working on "The
Continuum?"  I am looking forward to seeing it.
Take Care,
  Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: **** Warning *****
Date: 7 Jul 91 23:41:00 GMT

This was on another echo.  I found it interesting, and figured someone out
there might want to look into it.

 * Originally from Mike Mansfield
 * Originally dated 07-05-91 23:20

     In a recent 'research study' done by UTMB Neuropsychology Galveston on the
effects of migrane headaches upon lifestyle, a few CURIOUS questions arose,
being that my wife was a participant, she was able to relay this information
to me.  (She had recently been scheduled for a Cat Scan to diagnose unusual
migrane headaches) The questionairres were in general, mostly generic, but
the following questions were asked that make me feel *perhaps* something more
is being studied than just headaches... 1) Have you ever felt you were being
watched? next question was a clincher... 2) Do you believe in
Extraterrestrial life?

I see little reason that such questions should be included in a purely
scientific study unless the medical profession has turned 180 degrees and
suddenly believes in extraterrestrials...

  (still waiting for the results of the Cat-Scan... although I wonder if
we'll get to see what was actually taken, or not...)

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From: ncar!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!CCB104
Subject: Kecksburg UFO Crash
Date: 8 Jul 91 03:34:29 GMT

From: [e-mail]

The following is from T. Scott Crain, Jr., State Section Director for MUFON in
Pennsylvania; and Stan Gordon, State Director of MUFON in Pennsylvania and
Director of the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained
(PASU). I am transmitting it on their behalf (and at their request).

+>>>>BEGINS HERE>>>>>

In Paranet Newsletter Vol. 1 #386 I (Scott Crain) presented a dissenting view
from an article by Robert Young outlining his negative posture toward the UFO
that allegedly crashed near Kecksburg, PA, in December 1965. Jim Speiser
responded to my report in Paranet Newsletter Vol. 1 #387, raising some
questions about the witnesses and data presented. In order to clarify some of
the circumstances surrounding this case, I asked Stan Gordon to prepare a
response detailing the facts of how the incident unfolded and how the
witnesses described what had happened.

Below is a transcription of Stan Gordon's reply (dated June 12, 1991):

The two firemen who were interviewed for the Unsolved Mysteries sequence
were indeed the actual people involved. They were Jim Mayes (at the time
Assistant Fire Chief for Kecksburg) and Jim Romansky (a fireman from an
outside company who came to the area to search for what was thought to have
been wreckage from an aircraft believed to have exploded over the area). Also
taped for the show but not used (due to the length of the sequence and time
constraints, much information apparently had to be edited out) was an interview
with Robert Bitner, who has been established to be a former Kecksburg Fire
Chief. Bitner went on record also as stating that he arrived later that evening
at the site and was forbidden to go into the woods by military
personnel. Bitner was not the Fire Chief at the time of the incident.
Bitner was interviewed for the nationally syndicated Evening Magazine
sequence on Kecksburg, which also aired nationally.

Many of the local firemen who were involved have since passed away (due,
of course, to natural causes). Some of the others are now up in age and
refuse to get involved publicly; others have talked to us and verified
that they were at the scene but won't get involved because of the
controversy and because of the ridicule by some people. This situation
is making it very difficult as a researcher to bring out information on
the case without identifying the witnesses involved. But it has been my
policy for many years to let witnesses come to me confidentially with
information, with the promise that I will not reveal their identities if
this is their request. To try to give outside verification to the fact
that our information and witnesses exist, we permitted two news media
representatives (Sharon Santus of the Greensburg, PA Tribune-Review and
David Templeton of the Pittsburgh Press) to examine our affidavits,
listen to taped interviews, and talk directly with some key informants
who wished not to be identified. This was done since both reporters were
willing to conduct a detailed investigation of their own into the
Kecksburg affair. But they have supported the policy of confidentiality
as well.

Now many witnesses to various phases have now gone on public record (see
Press story). Reporter John Murphy, the first media person on the scene
(he was the news director for WHJB Radio in Greensburg and is now
deceased), kept very detailed notes on the event, assisted by various
staff members who were flooded with phone calls at the station as the
project passed through. Many of these notes were later used when he
put together a radio special on the event a week later called 'Object in
the Woods.' Based on loggings that were done at the time with
eyewitnesses, the time of sighting in the general area of impact was
about 4:47 p.m. Utilizing other times that seem accurate from previous
reporting areas along the object's path, we can give an estimate of its
speed. But the most interesting movements of the object were within a
few miles of the impact location. We will in future reports attempt to
visually show the interesting movements of the object around the local
ridges. The object appears to have had a control system, since it was
guiding itself along the ridge sides, apparently trying to avoid hitting
them.

When the object passed through the Pittsburgh area heading towards
Greensburg, the police and media were jammed with calls from observers,
who, for the most part, thought that what was seen was an aircraft on
fire. It would have been normal procedure to dispatch police and fire
personnel to try to locate the crash site. There would have been no
reason for military involvement, when it is a daily civilian emergency
management operation if such an event occurs.

We are very familiar with bolide and meteor sighting reports. We deal
with then every year, and we are well aware of the characteristics of
fireball-type meteors. We realize that these natural eye-catchers can
appear very close, seem to be landing over the next hill when indeed
they are quite a distance away. Independent observers, most unknown to
one another and not seeing the detailed data in our possession,
describe more than just a fireball coming down into the woods. Some
witnesses only caught the object in a brief glimpse, but others,
depending on their vantage point, saw the object move over a good
distance. What they saw was a very slowly moving, structured device,
with flames coming from the rear section. Some describe flames around
the object, also vapor appearance as well. Most importantly, had the
object been going in a straight path from some of the vantage points
verified, it would have passed near Mount Pleasant and have been
reported in other areas as well. But the object turned and headed back
towards Kecksburg. The object was seen from Mount Pleasant, going down in
the Kecksburg area. The object was not airborne past the Kecksburg area.
The only witness at the time that the media interviewed who saw the
object was young Nevin Kalp. He only caught the fiery object out of the
corner of his eye as he and his sister played not far away. Moments
later, a column of blue smoke rose from the woods.
But other independent witnesses, mostly local residents, have now given
us information that they also saw the slowly moving object come down
into the wooded area. Another witness verified seeing the blue smoke and
dust rising.

The Air Force officer who was stationed at Lockborn AFB in 1965 holds a
public position and wishes not to be identified. He had given me the
information of seeing the tarp-covered object arriving at the base, long
before the Unsolved Mysteries show was aired. Len Stringfield is working
with the two witnesses in Ohio, who were involved at Wright-Patterson
AFB. The second witness just recently has agreed to talk, and he has now
clarified many points. Don't base your opinion on this aspect of the
case by what you have read in the papers. They have not given the
complete scenario as to what actually occurred, and some details are
inaccurate. Len is planning an updated status report to be released
later this year, and more information relative to the Kecksburg case
will appear.

The few witnesses who decided to go public on the Unsolved Mysteries
show deserve a lot of credit. Many of these people were subject to much
ridicule. For some of these people (Jim Romansky in particular), it was
a major decision in his life whether or not to appear since he did not
want to expose his family to the problems that might follow (and did).
Generally, most of those appearing did the show for only one reason:
that hopefully it would cause other informants to come forward.

Future reports will reveal new witnesses and new information relative to
the Kecksburg mystery.

Jim Romansky was the fireman interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries who came
across the half-buried object in the woods. Bill Bulebosh, a local
resident, was known to us as a second witness to the impacted object. We
tracked down Mr. Bulebosh after a tip in 1988, the year after we had met
Romansky. Mr. Bulebosh wanted no publicity, but during the week of
filming for the Unsolved Mysteries sequence, he came out to the area and
met Romansky for the first time. He then gave permission to be
interviewed by the local media, and this was done in support to verify
the statements that Romansky had made.

Both men unknown to each other up till this point had given us detailed
information about what they had seen in 1965, including the fact that
they separately took us into the large wooded area and led us to the
same spot where the object had rested. The other two witnesses refused
any publicity at this time. One witness is still local, and he is
fearful that his business and reputation as a community leader could be
damaged. The fourth witness was a local resident at the time of the
occurrence but currently lives out-of-state. More information pertaining
to their experiences will also be disclosed in future reports.

- Stan Gordon

<<<<<ENDS HERE<<<<<




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From: [e-mail] (David Villa)
Subject: Re: UFO Crash at Roswell
Date: 2 Jul 91 05:51:23 GMT


   Even if that cover photo *is* a hoax photo, it looks neat.  I like that
'artists conception' of the Govt. test UFO on the back cover of the new UFO
Magazine (Yes!  I got it that very afternoon after we talked).  The book looks
interesting, I think I will order it (Who says cover artwork doesn't sell?)


              Be talkin' to ya.

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From: [e-mail] (David Villa)
Subject: Re: Roswell on Phx Radio
Date: 3 Jul 91 21:49:12 GMT


   Linda, can you tape that radio show for me?
                                  -Davinator, making coppies. :)

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From: [e-mail] (John Feilke)
Subject: Re: Bilderbergers & UN?
Date: 5 Jul 91 22:49:00 GMT

In a message to All <06-30-91 16:30> Don Allen wrote:
DA=>
DA=>Funny, I don't recall having elected the Bilderberger group to office; nor
DA=>am I convinced that their policies are in the best interests of citizens
DA=>worldwide. WHO appointed this group to speak for all of us?
DA=>
DA=>I think this group bears watching.
DA=>
DA=>Don

Don,
    I think this old adage applies here:
"He who has the money, makes the rules"

John

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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: Alien evolution
Date: 3 Jul 91 18:27:42 GMT

In a message to All <26 Jun 91 13:28> Kier Bass wrote:

 KB> I the recent issue of Ad Astra [Space exploration mag] there is
 KB> an article describing how two Canadian scientists working with
 KB> the Museum of nature in Ottowa traced the evolution of a
 KB> particular species of dinosaur.  Basically, they theorise that if
 KB> the dinosaurs had not gone extinct, that one in particular,
 KB> "Stenonychosaurus Inequalis was evolving in a direction that
 KB> would have made it an advanced intelligence".  The picture that
 KB> they show of the form it evoled into looks very close to some
 KB> form of Grey.  "...stands one and a half meters tall with with a
 KB> large bulging head, prtruding yellow eyes and a flat nose..." the
 KB> dinosaur it was based on evolved with an opposable thumb, even
 KB> though it had two other fingers.  Just thought I'd post this.

I believe this is also discussed/referenced in Out There by Blum.

Thanks, take care.
John.

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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: Hill Abduction: 1 Of 7
Date: 3 Jul 91 19:30:14 GMT

In a message to All <17 Jun 91 23:29> Michael Corbin wrote:

 MC> This information should be attributed to Barbara Becker.  The file is
 MC> named HILL.LTR and is in seven parts.

Michael, please don't take this as a rag or an attack or anything like that but
I have some general questions on how my 7-part Hill posting on the Fidonet UFO
Echo got onto this Paranet Echo.  (By the way, I have absolutely no problem
with this, the flow of information is precisely why we do this in the first
place, I'm just interested in the mechanics...)

Is there a 'link' between the Echos?  Is it 'automatic' or does someone have to
snag messages from one and post them in another?  Is there a common 'gateway'
between the two?

I've just recently read a couple of month's worth of messages (from the Abyss
BBS in Washington, DC) in this and other Paranet Echos and there are many very
good messages, _and_ messengers, that are not available in the Fidonet UFO
Echo.  There was very little duplication, except obviously at the topic level.
 Is this a Sysop's-choice type of thing, the selection of Fidonet or Paranet,
or is it BBS software-related?  Or telecommunications-related, or whatever else?

Additionally, is the ABDUCT Echo a MUFON-related, MUFON-sponsored, Echo?  Is
the P_GEN, ('Paranet-General, I guess), something similar to the Fidonet UFO
Echo?

Thanks, hope these don't sound like stupid questions, take care.
John.

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Hill Abduction: 1 Of 7
Date: 5 Jul 91 08:19:00 GMT

Hello John!

 JP> I've just recently read a couple of month's worth of messages (from
 JP> the Abyss BBS in Washington, DC) in this and other Paranet Echos and
 JP> there are many very good messages, _and_ messengers, that are not
 JP> available in the Fidonet UFO Echo.  There was very little duplication,
 JP> except obviously at the topic level.  Is this a Sysop's-choice type of
 JP> thing, the selection of Fidonet or Paranet, or is it BBS
 JP> software-related?  Or telecommunications-related, or whatever else?

Maybe Mike can help you with that HILL dupe situation...but as for your other
question... it is an easy choice to make.  If you want fluff...ya go with
Fido's UFO.  We decided not to.  If you want thought provoking questions asked
and answers given...ya stick with the best ... Paranet!  :)

AD MODE OFF


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Hoax Document
Date: 5 Jul 91 19:13:00 GMT


 ->> Not only is that a 'hoax'ish looking document...it also
 ->> paints the pentagon in a conspiritorial light.
 JS>
 JS> Not sure I understand completely, Steve, are you saying the Pentagon
 JS> is above conspiracy, or structurally incapable of it?

Sigh...no, my friend.  I am just pointing out how the real letter writer is
employing a tired old trick...in this case using everyone's assumptions about
the Pentagon busily plotting conspiracies (which we all know they are at least
CAPABLE of) as a way for sneaking in false credibilities for the authenticity
of that hoax-ish letter.  I say it is a farce, as much as I believe the letter
itself to be a farce.

It is sort of saying, "Hey, we know that there MUST be some covert operations
going on which are acknowledged or sponsored by the Penatagon, right?  So if
we add that element of presumed guilt into this 'document' we are drawing up...
the gullible will more easily accept the REST of this letter as gospel, too!"
No dice.  ;-)



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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Bilderbergers & UN?
Date: 7 Jul 91 07:21:05 GMT


 JF> In a message to All <06-30-91 16:30> Don Allen wrote:
 JF> DA=>
 JF> DA=>Funny, I don't recall having elected the Bilderberger group to office;
 JF> DA=>nor am I convinced that their policies are in the best nterests of
 JF> DA=>citizens worldwide. WHO appointed this group to speak for all of us?
 JF> DA=>
 JF> DA=>I think this group bears watching.
 JF> DA=>
 JF> DA=>Don
 JF>
 JF> Don,
 JF>     I think this old adage applies here:
 JF> "He who has the money, makes the rules"


Ah..yes..The "Golden" rule.. :-(

I should send you the infamous Opal File, the Gemstone file(s)
and a few other nice little eyeopeners.

I betcha Greg Lush knows what they are :-)

Keep digging Greg...you're definately on the right track.

-* Don Allen *-  InterNet: [e-mail]  // Amiga..for the best of us.
USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :-)
UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona      0110 0110 0110 Just say NO!
Illuminati < MJ-12|Greys|TLC|CFR|FED|Bilderbergs > UN = "New World Order"

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: More on Crop Circles..
Date: 7 Jul 91 08:04:06 GMT


Spotted this tonight on UseNet:

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Article 745 of alt.alien.visitors:
From: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
Subject: Crop Circles in the UK
Keywords: Latest from the UK Vigils
Date: 5 Jul 91 14:33:57 GMT
Sender: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
Followup-To: Robert Trevelyan ( CCCS member )
Organization: IBM AIX Systems Support Centre, UK.

Using banks of expensive camera and infra-red equipment to keep a 24-hr
watch on a field below Morgan's Hill where a magnificent quadruple-ringed
Circle and a Celtic Cross appeared respectively on June 1 and July 5 1990,
a Team of crop watchers have witnessed something strange .

    In addition to the video equipment they have a powerful directional
microphone which digitally records all sound in the range 2 to 20000 Hz, i.e.
infra-sound, audible sound and some ultra-sound. The night of June 26/27 was
cloudy and rainy and looked most unpromising. At about 3 a.m. some mist was
in evidence and this appeared to be thickest right over the field being
observed. It was decided to keep the cameras and infra-red gear running
just in case it lifted and the directional microphone continued to record.

    At 5.45 a.m., an hour after dawn, the mist began to slowly clear. The
pall of mist over the field under observation was the last to dissipate and,
when it did, the cameramen could just see markings in the crop. They rushed
down the hill to seal off entry to the field in which they could now see
with binoculars a large dumb-bell pictogram. Close inspection showed no signs
of human entry or footsteps in the wet soil at entry points to the field.
A playback of the tapes from the directional microphone was found to be
completely blank at all recorded frequencies.

    One of the cameramen who was first into the dumb-bell walked a long way
along a tractor line to get to the the formation without damaging the
standing crop. His trousers were soaked by the wet crop and his boots covered
in mud. The circles were perfectly swirled with the plants bent but unbroken.
There was no sign of foot-steps or muddy trampling in the circles.

    At 6 p.m the previous evening a military helicopter had flown across and
hovered for a few minutes over the spot where the pictogram subsequently
formed. Whether or not this was coincidental we have no way of telling. There
are certainly rumours that the military have ways of detecting where and when
Circles will form.

    Dr Meaden and his 19 Japanese scientists also encamped on Morgan's Hill
were thought to have had that field under observation as well. But they are
not saying what they made of this cosmic conjuring trick. Dr M only ever says
"This entirely confirms my plasma vortex theory" whenever a new pictogram
appears. He has on the hill some radar device, and we hear a rumour that
this picked up some object the other night (not necessarliy the night of
the 26/27th) which was definitely not an aircraft. The cry went up "It's a
plasma vortex" and they all rushed to look for it. But nothing visible was
seen.

    What Dr M calls a plasma vortex is what most other people call a UFO.
This does not mean for a moment that it is necessarily a metallic spacecraft
flown by aliens as the tabloid newspapers and Hollywood would have us believe.
Nor for that that matter does calling it a plasma vortex mean that scientists
have the slightest idea what it is or where it comes from. Meaden has never
offered any equations, rotational velocities, or any credible explanation
for how the mythical plasma vortex is formed. He might just as well call it
a UFO like everyone else.

   No exact details of sizes of dimensions yet but I will be in-touch.
Otherwise the latest crop circles seem to be dumbbells ,as a weight
training dumbbell , with rings ,paths and circles attached .They look
remarkably like insects as they have a paths leading from one of the circles
at about 45 degrees with small circles at the end (antannae) .


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Don

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